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86: Karen Swallow Prior | On Reading Well
Karen Swallow Prior | On Reading Well
Karen Swallow Prior, Ph. D., is Research Professor of English and Christianity and Culture at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary.
She is the author of Booked: Literature in the Soul of Me (T. S. Poetry Press, 2012), Fierce Convictions: The Extraordinary Life of Hannah More—Poet, Reformer, Abolitionist (Thomas Nelson, 2014), and On Reading Well: Finding the Good Life through Great Books (Brazos 2018).
She is co-editor of Cultural Engagement: A Crash Course in Contemporary Issues (Zondervan 2019) and has contributed to numerous other books.
Her writing has appeared at Christianity Today, The Atlantic, The Washington Post, First Things, Vox, Relevant, Think Christian, The Gospel Coalition, Religion News Service, Books and Culture and other places.
She is a founding member of The Pelican Project, a Senior Fellow at the Trinity Forum, a Senior Fellow at the International Alliance for Christian Education, and a member of the Faith Advisory Council of the Humane Society of the United States.
She and her husband live on a 100-year old homestead in central Virginia with sundry horses, dogs, and chickens. And lots of books.
Karen Swallow Prior joins me on Grace Enough Podcast to discuss the impact reading good books can have on our journey with Jesus, particularly as it relates to cultivating virtue and helping us read and understand Scripture.
Questions Karen Swallow Prior and I Discussed:
- (4:30) In your newest book On Reading Well you write, “Just as water, over a long period of time, reshapes the land through which it runs, so too we are formed by the habit of reading good books well.” In light of that quote share a little of your backstory with us. How did you come to know Jesus and what are a few memories you have of books shaping your faith?
- (6:55) The subtitle of Reading Well is “Finding the Good Life Through Great Books.” What is the good life and how does reading great books help us to discover it?
- (9:15) For many, the word virtue may not resonate, but when we define it as behavior showing high moral character my hope is ears perk up. Talk to us a little about cultivating virtue in our current culture and some practical steps we can take to be purposeful in this area.
- (13:07) What do you think it is about reading a book with a character who is virtuous? How do you think that inspires us to really live differently?
- (15:19) As followers of Jesus we hold Scripture in highest regard. How does reading other great books help us read and understand Scripture better?
- (18:28) I did not grow up an avid reader and while I love a good book now I have room to grow. How can we develop a love of reading even as an adult?
- (22:06) What’s a good book for a beginner? Let’s say, I want to read a work of literature that’s not been written in the last, 20 30, 50 years?
- (26:36) What are some of the things that you work through in class to help your students engage both culture and Christianity?
- (28:43) Will you share a few of the books you have read and the virtue of their character and how that points us towards more Christ like character?
Quotes to Remember:
“For me, love of books and love of Jesus are so intertwined, I can hardly disconnect them.”
“As I grew older, and became more interested in the mind, and the intellect that books cultivates, I didn’t see a lot of space for that in the church. And for a long time, I didn’t see how the two went together. It really wasn’t until I was completing my PhD that I, through a number of circumstances, figured out, wow, the love that I have for words comes from the Creator of the Word.”
“From Aristotle on, it was understood that the happiest, best life that one could have was being virtuous, excelling at the very things that make us human. And there are ways of understanding that in a pagan, philosophical way, and there are ways of understanding that as a Christian believer, and there’s a great deal of overlap. They aren’t the same, but there is a great deal of overlap, because even the pagan Greeks and Romans understood that there’s something different about human beings, that we have a different nature and design. And it is by fulfilling that nature and design that we have the best life.”
“What he [Aristotle] meant by virtue is that when we practice a skill or habit enough, it actually becomes second nature to us.”
“The Bible tells us that when we are born again, we are new creatures. So we actually do have a new nature. It’s there. It’s fighting with the old man in us, but we have that ability to cultivate that new nature. But it’s still something that we have to do intentionally.”
“Literature is a form of art that uses words in the same way that a painter uses painting, or a sculptor uses marble or wood. People who write literary works, use words. And of course, the Bible uses words, it’s much more than a literary work, but it is a beautiful work of language.”
“We are people of the word. And God chose…to reveal Himself to us through words, small w and also through the Word, His Son, who is called the Word. And so there’s something about our very nature that understands God through language, through the Word.”
“I think a lot of people are intimidated by the idea of reading great works of literature, because it’s a habit that hasn’t been cultivated. But it is a habit that can be cultivated.”
“The biggest mistake I see people make, and especially my students is to try to read literary works too fast.”
“Justice is the virtue that is complicated because we can be just or unjust as individuals, but justice also deals with our community, our world…All the other virtues have to do with our own personal piety, but justice also describes the world we live in.”
“Virtue is always the moderation between an excess and a deficiency, but our human tendency…whenever we see a wrong or feel an injustice, when we want to correct it, the tendency is too overcorrect.”
- On Reading Well by Karen Swallow Prior
- Charlotte Bronte’s Jane Eyre: A Guide to Reading and Reflecting by Karen Swallow Prior
- George Orwell’s 1984 or Animal Farm
- Marilynne Robinson’s Gilead
- Jane Austen’s Sense and Sensibility: A Guide to Reading and Reflecting by Karen Swallow Prior
- Joseph Conrad’s Heart of Darkness: A Guide to Reading and Reflecting by Karen Swallow Prior
- Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein: A Guide to Reading and Reflecting by Karen Swallow Prior
- Thomas Hardy’s Tess of the d’Urbervilles: A Guide to Reading and Reflecting by Karen Swallow Prior
- Nathaniel Hawthorne Scarlet Letter: A Guide to Reading and Reflecting by Karen Swallow Prior
- Jane Austen’s Persuasion: virtue of patience
- Jane Austen’s Pride and Prejudice
- Charles Dickens, A Tale of Two Cities: virtue of justice
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